Question:
Personal responsibility and accountability?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Personal responsibility and accountability?
Eleven answers:
coolz
2010-05-14 01:56:24 UTC
when terrorist attacks and plane crashes in other countries happen, they dont blame china.

when kids at school kill each other, they dont blame china.

people in other parts of the world look for evidence, study them carefully before claiming the cause.



when kids in china gets stabbed, fingers point at the US. they say foreign media is the cause. here are my thoughts:

1. major foreign media is heavily blocked including internet forums

2. US and china are worlds apart

3. majority of US killers use a gun, and no one can bring in a gun inside mainland

4. strangers walking into schools and campuses are common, US campus have metal detectors

5. if they really say the US media is to blame, then should US counter back by saying china is to blame for terrorist attacks

6. if they say internet was used to communicate, then the wuss 50 centers are useless and cannot do anything right

7. control is something ccp wants, they want to control everything, how come they cannot control foreign media then? so ccp are also useless?

8. mr. toyota went to the stage to apologize and admit the problems of toyota cars, recalled all vehicles and solved the problems, why don't we see that in china?

9. excuses, excuses, excuses and more excuses

10. wuss.
2010-05-14 12:35:50 UTC
On this forum there're some that think everything China does is superb and there're some that's the exact opposite. Not one single noise is what makes reading forums interesting otherwise we just all start reading China Daily instead. It's quite unlikely that we would 100% agree nor disagree with people, there's always times that people's path crosses with one another's and vice versa.



In talking about Mainland Chinese, I really feel very sorry for them even though I get frustrated with many a lot of times, they've been left out of the world and been fed with crap for too long. As Jesus said before crucification, "Forgive them for they know not what they're doing." It's going to take at least one whole generation before most everyone in the Mainland behave normally.



bkk, the reason why Mainlanders are so selfish, always pushing around in order to stay ahead of others is because the country has always been in extreme scarcity of everything. For instance one million people need travelling in trains, but say only 30% - 40% of the no. of seats are available, even in year 2010. In Mao's days it's even dead worse, only 10% of the food was constantly available to feed 100% of the population, as time goes by everybody is accustomed to jump queue and to pushing around in order be the first to grab things or else they'ld be left with nothing. The govt is beginning to aware of the bad behaviors of their people, during the Olympics and now the Expo, signs are posted everywhere to remind people to behave in civilized and good manners, but as said building good roads only take 3-4 years, cultivating a well behaved society takes generations.
longliveabcdefg
2010-05-14 11:58:08 UTC
It is undeniable people especially politicians play the blame game everywhere. Just look at what people of the 2 US political parties are doing.



What about China? This Country is a non democratic one party rule, in order to retain its position one of the party’s jobs has always been to educate the people that its leaders are infallible. Any admittance of wrong doing would result in more power to the people and this is not going to happen under the CCP, Tianmen Square incident is a good example. 50-60 years ago people were told the great leader was the rising sun from the east, now with more openness, education and technology, the media are filled with reports and comments indicating disasters and mishaps are a result of external forces or influence. The CCP has to put the blame especially on the “West” because many Chinese people are looking to the West for inspiration, political education, justification, hope, and even substantial help in bringing democracy to China. Finger pointing at the West is a balancing act for China to cancel out how the West has influenced its people, and preventing any empowerment to its people. The Chinese leaders understand that when something is repeated often enough, people would start to believe anything even untrue.



BTW foreigners on this forum might not be what they appear to be, I can assure you I don’t look like a forest.
BSHerman Bin Laden
2010-05-13 20:38:00 UTC
The authoritarian government of China can be compared to Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany invented Jews as their enemy to mobilize people and led them into believing that they were the enemies who posed a threat to the Reich. Almost the same thing is happening in China.



The Communist Party is using ultra-nationalism and hatred towards other nations to lead the people into believing that the interest of China is secure only as long as they are in power. Taking credit for all the good that happens in China and accusing outside forces for the mis-happenings has become a national hobby in China and so is developing conspiracy theories that detail how others are jealous of China's rise.



China is not the only country that has been humiliated in the past by colonial forces. There are many countries throughout the world who have been a colony of Europeans, there are several other countries who have been victimized by aggressors, but they have learnt to forgive the past and move on. Unfortunately in China the government keeps reminding people of these incidents. They can't stop talking about their own version of opium wars which deliberately forgets to mention that China itself was growing opiums in huge quantities at that time. Chinese students in schools still wear a red scarf and their teachers constantly remind them that the red color is the blood of Chinese people that were massacred by Japanese. I don't know a civilized country that teaches hatred in their schools. Perhaps it's too difficult for them to kiss the leprechaun of love and forgive the past. . . Nationalism in China has come to mean hating others and attacking the forces that criticize CCP.



I'm not saying that there are not saner voices in China, but these voices mostly keep silent for the fear of being branded a traitor if they speak their mind. I know some Chinese people who hide their Japanese ancestry because they don't want to be ridiculed by these ultra nationalists who derive their nationalism from hating others and can't stop pointing fingers elsewhere whenever something bad happens.



China is a screwed-up country where people are not allowed to think for themselves in the name of maintaining harmony. They can't stop praising themselves at the low crime figure while hiding the actual figure of crimes. When the crime figures show an exponential trend, they will allow the press to report some of the eventualities and still sweep most of these crimes under the carpet. Underreporting of violence and crime like this in the name of maintaining harmony would never be tolerated in a country that is governed by the rule of law, but authoritarian government of China promotes it. I've said it before and I'll say it again . . . Chinese citizens are slaves of CCP. . . authoritarian regime cannot last forever.
I have a banana up my ********
2010-05-15 00:07:28 UTC
It natural to point fingers at other people, but China has also the concept of "face". With this it's more important to shift the blame on others rather than admitting their own fault. Foreigners are easy because being out of the country they can't fight back and say you are talking rubbish. Also they are not likely to come out with monotone phrases like "Your comments have offended and deeply hurt the Chinese people"



As for Jackie Chan's comment, maybe he's right in saying that the Chinese haven't reached a level at which they can take responsibility for their actions and needed to be controlled. If they were not then it would every person for themselves, oh lets make money but lets make it cheap and it doesn't matter if we cut corners.



Foreigners maybe should go around saying that without the USA and Walmart, China would not be as good nowadays because they would have no money coming in for making these great changes.



As for the T/F question it's just another attention seeker, most likely unable to adjust to Chinese life and being unable to handle the lack of interest they get.
bkk
2010-05-14 05:56:03 UTC
I do not think that the "finger pointing" at foreign countries/people is a "trend". It is a way of thinking that has been taught to the Chinese population by a Govt. that doesn't want the people to think for themselves. The people have been indoctrinated (brainwashed?) into the Orwellian mindset of "Chinese good, foreigners bad". It's a type of mind control that is used by the CCP in order to scare and subjugate the masses by encouraging xenophobia. They teach their children to hate non Chinese people. Ask young Chinese people how they feel about Japanese people if you need proof of this. Who taught them to feel this way? Parents and teachers. Why are they taught to feel this way? Because it teaches them the "victim" syndrome. The Govt. want to encourage the Chinese people to feel "victimised" by non Chinese as it subconsciously reinforces the belief that they, the CCP, are the only ones that will "look after" them and thus prolong their rule.

For proof just look at who the CCP blames for the riots in Tibet. The Dalai Lama. Look at who they blame for the riots in Xingjiang. Rabia Kadeer. Both of whom they they branded as "outside influences" or in a word "foreigners" even though they are "Chinese". No evidence has been produced for either of these claims but many Chinese people believe them to be true simply because the CCP has told them to believe. By blaming "outsiders" they deflect attention from the true causes of those riots. i.e. The inequality that many people in those regions feel.

Why do you think that most Chinese people, including otherwise quite intelligent students, lack the ability to think critically? Because they have not been taught to think critically. It is beyond them. That's why many Chinese students that go to study abroad have to take critical thinking courses as part of their studies.(Maybe thats one reason why 70% of them never return to China.) If they had been taught this skill perhaps they would begin to think critically about the country they live in and the problems that exist there or, perhaps more dangerously for the CCP, about the way their country is governed.

Another trait I noticed with many Chinese people was the complete lack of personal and social responsibility. Again they have simply not been taught this by their parents or teachers. They have been taught and learnt that China is a "dog eat dog" society, it's "every man for themselves" and "s*d you Jack, I'm alright". Examples of this can be seen everyday everywhere you go in China. Why don't they queue? Why do they interrupt conversations with no thought for the people having that conversation? Why do they elbow and push their way so that they receive attention before anyone else? Why do they believe that they deserve attention before everyone else? Why are they so self centred and selfish? Because they have been taught to act in these ways!

Part of the Chinese "culture" is to NEVER admit that they have made a mistake or are wrong. They have to "save face" at all costs, even if it means lying. It can be something very trivial like forgetting something or something more serious such as theft. This "saving face" extends beyond their personal lives and ,in their minds, to the "saving face" of their "Motherland". They believe that a criticism of China is a direct criticism of themselves and any criticism no matter how constructive or trivial is not acceptable in the Chinese "culture".

Once people realise this it becomes understandable why the Chinese Govt. and people try to blame "outside forces" (foreigners) for problems that are in fact home grown Chinese problems. It's a way of not facing up to their responsibilities. If they faced up to and admitted that these problems existed they would "lose face" in a very big way and they will do anything not to "lose face". To admit that they are wrong is impossible for many Chinese people and all the CCP. To admit that very serious problems exist within China would be an admittance of failure as they see it. So they lie about these things.

Ask yourself what happens to the few people that are brave enough to question the decisions or actions of the CCP.Many of those Chinese people that believe that their society needs radical change are too scared to speak out about it. They would be arrested and imprisoned if they did. Just like the many thousands who have already been imprisoned for daring to question or criticise the CCP.

Every country in the world has serious problems. However most countries admit their problems and try to address them. China will not. China tries to brush their problems "under the carpet" and pretend they don't exist, either by banning reporting of them, denying them or blaming others. By doing this, by pretending these problems don't exist, they prolong and increase them. They are actually making those problems worse.

If you want to look into China's future, look into it's past.

It's not a pretty sight !
Mr Hex Vision
2010-05-17 04:38:53 UTC
Hello long time no see.....



Well interestingly, you need a social studies scientist to answer this, but I did read an article on something that maybe similar in the new scientist this week.



The thing is people are either a sceptic and a denier?



Whats the difference, you may ask?



"A sceptic, for example, examines specific claims one by one, carefully considers the evidence for each, and is willing to follow the facts wherever they lead"



"A denier has a position staked out in advance, and sorts through the data employing "confirmation bias" - the tendency to look for and find confirmatory evidence for pre-existing beliefs and ignore or dismiss the rest."



Sounds like someone I know...



That is confirmation bias well:-

In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.



From observation it seems that there is a difference way of handling the way people view facts, in the West people seem to do more rounded you can pick up a paper that says the governmental is doing a grand job while in another it will say that they are doing a bad job. In China it seems only good information is published, so referencing bad things is not possible or the likely hood is decreased. However, Westerners being bought up this way they are more likely to talk about things, more likely to be able to answer bad things that there government did. However due to this one sidedness there is an inability to to question anything that seems to put China in a bad light.



It is possible that scepticism is viewed not as well as it is in other countries around the world because today's people of China have been bought up to believe that Chinas culture can't be bad and this leads back to confirmation bias.



As for Jackie Chan, it could be that he sees that some Chinese people are growing to the point that they have a right to do that they want as they climb the social ladder. A case of because someone else if it, I'm allowed to do it.



As for the T/F questions that person is not really worth anyone's time on here and it was just a cry saying look at me.
Mandy
2010-05-14 16:06:24 UTC
If you never let go of a child's hand, the child will never learn. The result of a hard handed, authoritarian government is a people who have little concept of personal responsibility and accountability.



Are ppl blaming the knife attacks on foreigners now? Why did they not blame the west when this chinese killed a foreign coach at the drum towers during the 2008 Olympics? Serial killer themed movies have been coming out of Hong Kong for yonks, so why not blame Hong Kong?



As for the "external influence", I think the history is much closer than Opium war era. Since the inception of modern China under communism in 1949, foreign nations and people have always been viewed with suspicion. During the Cultural Revolution, an innocent letter from an overseas relative is enough to get you jailed and beaten up. I saw a documentary about a professor of English in China, who said he had to tread carefully during the 60s /70s because his knowledge of English makes him a vulnerable target for political attacks.



So the finger pointing at external forces has historical underpinnings, but should this become habitual then much is to be desired of the progress of Chinese society as a whole. The govt. is prob. quite happy for the public to blame the "outside" too as it takes the attention off them.
2010-05-13 18:04:06 UTC
NAh same thing as any other country. Every country has some wild people.
Average American
2010-05-20 04:28:08 UTC
Your words = When something good happens, then that triumph is shouted from the rooftops. When something bad happens, fingers are pointed in every direction to find which external force is responsible for such things.



I thought you were talking about America, not China.



Good happens = Obama wins Nobel Prize despite no clear acheivements.



Bad happens = Obama blames China for American recession. Obama says Chinese products are priced too low and that is bad for Americans. If China's prices were higher would Americans like that better?
2010-05-13 19:53:29 UTC
''Blaming others'' is one of the basic self defense mechanisms. Its simply easy for their egoism.



No matter Chinese, westerners etc, it's all the same.



Every year the Springbreakers in Cancun are different people, but the behaviors are EXACTLY the same.



It's just human nature.


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