Question:
Do you find it funny that US/NED is illegally funding Chinese Democracy/human rights groups by forcing people?
Wilson!!!!!
2008-05-17 16:42:07 UTC
to learn their ideals yet Communist countries never funded their own groups in Europe and various other places that has a Communist party to promote Communism ideals?

I find it weird that this illegal backing still exists. This means that US wants Democracy in China and Chinese puppets like Hu Jia and Yang Jianli is been used by the US to promote Democracy.

If REAL Chinese Democracy promoters wants Democracy in China; they should cut ties with NED's illegal backings and uses their own money to promote it.

I still haven't seen a Chinese who isn't affiliated with any NED-sponsored organization that speaks out against China.

Various Democracy/human rights groups funded by the NED:

Russia
Inner Mongolia
Tibet Independence Groups
Kosovo
Cuba
Venezuela
Iraq
etc.

No wonder the Chinese gunned down 187 students according to Tianamanen Mothers for espionage caused by 21 Student leaders
Five answers:
J M
2008-05-18 04:40:15 UTC
there is no substance in your claim.







@wilson: I know Check B and Company has been tracking me, so what?
peculationRetard
2008-05-18 05:30:23 UTC
Easy Guys.

I do not believe that Chinese people and its government would get upset for the amount un-proportional to a nation's economic strength. They are grateful to any amount of donations or aid coming their way. Just like Americans in Hurricane Katrina, being thankful to any nation who offered whatever they can in aid. First X meant well and he only expressed that US government could do more. He is entitled to his opinion.



Beijing government probably understands that the un-proportional aid is due to the previous allocation to Dalai lama’s travel expenses and the cost for Torch disruption.
Mr Hex Vision
2008-05-18 04:20:51 UTC
Sorry whats the question?



I find it funny that first x rants about me then I have not answered this question.



Dollars of aid to the tsunami victmins while china only gave about 168 million dollars. Even in terms of GNP the USA gave more than China.



I find it funny that the USA being a unofficial enemy of myanmir gave more than that of China who is an ally.



I find it funny that that the USA red cross gave 10 million dollars to china then the Chinese government intintal offer

(http://www.redcross.org/pressrelease/0,1077,0_314_7732,00.html) what no doubt has come from the people of the USA..



I find it funny that First x claims that when aid gets there it will be too late, funny enough there well be problems like disease and flooding to come so Chinese media says, its funny he thinks that just by clearing up the area the problems will go away.



I find it funny that Amcerians gave 300 billion dollars to charity's, how much did Chinese people give?



I find it funny that he could had read



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake#Foreign_and_domestic_aid



Flag of the United States United States: The White House has pledged $500,000 in aid and has sent relief supplies valued at $700,000 to China. Additionally, the American Red Cross (ARC) has donated $10 Million, and US businesses and enterprises have donated over $12 million.

So far thats like 23.2 million dollars much more than that the Chinese gave to USA then hurriane Kat happen



I get the feeling hes one of those Chinese citizens who believes every thing on www.anti-cnn.com, I just so luckly that not all Chinese people think like him.



Or should we take Chinas advice this time and not interfear with Chinas internal affairs? I do certainty hope not....



Edit: First x you barking like a mad dog, if you bothered to read the links you will see how much the UK has given in aid, I could agrue how much aid as China given the UK, France, Canada etc. And how much aid as China received from forgeen counties over the years.



As for raising 200 million quickly, given the china has a huge amount of people and lets for argument that that average every one gave was 1 rmb, you would have 1.5 billion yuan or close enough to 200 million dollars, and what ciztien of its country WOULD not give to its motherland in a time of need and so quickly, just like the lines of Amcerians who lined up at blood donation centres after 9/11.



You argue that the USA would not send supplies it has, its an on going mission, money is great to send, but food it better, so are tents. Would the staving like cash or would they like food, or a tent to sleep in while things are recovering. And they sent it even faster than the aid China sent to the USA. Its nice to have a big pile of cash but its useless if you can't buy the stuff in your own country to help them.



As the USA said it will send more stuff then China knows what it wants and now doubt charities in the USA are receiving donations.



Do I really have to go one, should I mention that China is number 3 in receiving aid do I really have to give the links to then they recived over hundreds of billions dollars of aid over the years.



Edit 2:



As I said before, read the links, as you can clearly see if you had bothered to read the links European governments have bothered to help China, your blowing nothing but hot air, I have refuted you several times now. The link clearly shows that European countries and the EU and the states have given aid. As before as shown on other links the USA has said it will give more aid then China knows what it wants.



First you moan about it being so little, then you say that the USA sending supplies is rubbish. When shown prove that the USA has sent supplies and is willing to help further, you still moan. You sound rather ungrateful for there help in which there donations will help to save some of lifes of your fellow countrymen.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake#Aid_by_Foreign_Nations



If you can't be bothered to read what II have stated before, now twice, then theres really no point in taking your argument serious and you are just Anglo bashing and ranting. A look at your answers and questions on your ID shows you have a disliking of the Western world.



If you don't think the aid is good enough for you please tell your government to return to sender, specially the French donations as you have been protesting about them lately.



In fact if you want to talk about percentages you will know that the USA does not have the highest GDP per capita its in fact number 8.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
anonymous
2008-05-18 01:48:34 UTC
CIA is only funding anti-China separation activities.



Inner Mongolia has only less independence activities (85% of populationare Han, Manchus and Hui people. Interracial marriage of Han and Mongol are substantial.)
First X
2008-05-18 01:43:05 UTC
forget about so-called "democracy" and so-called "human rights." There's little weight in labels that ring hollow in times of crisis. What really reveals humanity and human rights are the actions taken by those in times of need such as the recent catastrophe in Sichuan. Those who are the first to respond and the first to lending their helping hands and donating significant amounts of money speak more about humanity and human rights with their actions than all the holier-than-thou preachings and labels combined.



Not surprisingly, the governments of the Western Hypocracies (i.e. U.S., UK, France, Germany, Canada...etc.) who are always drooling with human rights from the corner of their lips have done almost NOTHING to help with the rescue. It has been almost a week since one of history's most devastating earthquakes struck, yet the U.S. (so-called "the richest nation on Earth") has contributed only a measly $500,000, one tenth of what China gave to the "richest nation on Earth" during the Katrina crisis.



NONE of the governments of the other Western Hypocracies (e.g. the UK, France, Germany, Canada...etc), who also call themselves the most developed, most industrialized, richest countries in the world, have done ANYTHING of substance either. Mind you these are the same countries who are always preaching their half-hearted "democracy" and "human rights".



And then, of course, you have the agents/apologists of the Western Hypocracies like "Mr. HV" on this forum who are always on the defensive for these Hypocracies, arguing that fantasy aid will "more likely" come in some indefinite future time, while trying to divert attention away from the issue by mocking the $5 million handout given to the U.S. (a.k.a "the richest nation on Earth") by China during Katrina. If agents/apologists like "Mr. HV" argue that $5 million did not do much for the U.S., then $500,000 definitely will do jack schitt for China during this disaster.



Actions speak louder than words. Through their actions, the Western Hypocracies have proven that they are not fit to preach "democracy" and "human rights."





Mr. HV, you would certainly find much more that are funny when you simply take a hard look in the mirror. First of all, you need to learn basic arithmetic, starting with addition. Or is it your chronic problem with reading comprehension? Or both?



You see, Mr. HV, what you have never been able to understand is that by mentioning all the disproportionately larger amount of aid that the U.S. (a.k.a. "the richest nation on Earth") gave to other countries in other disasters, you are only highlighting the gross inequality in how the U.S. government has acted toward the current earthquake disaster in light of the above. There could only be one possible explanation for the gross difference in how the U.S. behaves towards other countries and how it acts against China. It's called political motives, as I'm sure your masters in Washington and London know.



I find it ridiculous that you, Mr. HV, are asking silly questions like: "How much did ordinary chinese give to Katrina and other disasters?" After all, the U.S. is the country that always calls itself "the richest nation on Earth", doesn't it? So, it should be expected that ordinary American people ought to donate more than their chinese counterparts. And it should be ESPECIALLY expected that the U.S. government do much much more than the pathetic $500,000 it has contributed.



On the other hand, China is in fact a developing country, where the average income is far less than their American counterparts, with a portion of its population that is twice the size of the entire U.S. still struggling to climb out of poverty.



Yet, we see that even ordinary chinese have done far MORE as a percentage of their capabilities than what American businesses and the American public have done in this disaster. The $24 million that you claim Amercian businesses have raised PALES in comparison to the over $200 million in just the first 72 hours within China. Thousands of people have lined up in every city to donate blood. Many of them may be poor, but they have tried to give all that they can give. FYI, In other disasters like the tsunami in southeast asia and elsewhere in the world, the Western media do not usually report this, but china has actually sent manpower and equipment to help with rescue and relief efforts overseas. In CONTRAST, what percentage of capacity is reflected in contributions from the U.S. government and the American public??



Moreover, do you understand that EVEN when you add ALL the contributions, monetary or otherwise, from American businesses and the measly contribution from the American government, the total contribution from "the richest nation on Earth" is still FAR less than even Saudi Arabia's contribution of $50 million?? TOTAL donations so far have reached nearly $500 million. What percentage of THAT amount is the contribution from "the richest nation on Earth" (a.k.a. the U.S.)??



I am assuming, however, that you know how to do simple arithmetic to understand the above comparisons, but that maybe overly optimistic given your history of ignorant and uneducated responses.



All of that leaves one more interesting question to you, Mr. HV. What has your country, the UK, done in all of this so far?? I have not heard your response on what has the UK contributed to relief efforts in this disaster and to others like Katrina. And what about my question on the contributions from the OTHER WESTERN HYPOCRACIES like Canada, France and Germany? What have their governments done in this disaster and others like Katrina? Do you have an answer for that? Let's hear it.



After all, the above Western Hypocracies also call themselves the most developed, most industrialized, and richest countries in the world, don't they?? So, what percentage of the total contribution actually comes from those Western Hypocracies in the current earthquake relief, monetary or otherwise? And what percentage of their capacity for donations is reflected in the amounts they actually contributed? Is it peanuts or is it sesames?



Well, Mr. HV, are you up to snuff at answering those simple questions? Let's see you try.





Mr. HV, calm down, you are turning into an INCOHERENT mental patient right before everyone's eyes. LOL!!! I have heard of dogs foaming at the mouth, but it sure is a treat to see a British guy like yourself foam at the mouth. LOL!!!



I find it funny that you keep bringing up the $700,000 in "equipment aid" and the insignificant $500,000 given by the U.S. government for quake relief. Here's the link showing your response to another question where you mocked the $5 million given by the Chinese government to the U.S. for Katrina relief:



https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20080516190752AA0qbwH&show=7#profile-info-SWrb7c24aa



According to your argument, if $5 million did not do much, then what could $700,000 + $500,000 POSSIBLY do?



As for your other problem, read up on the concept of percentages, then maybe you can try again at answering my earlier questions above.



In particular, try harder to focus on the question: What has the governments of Western Hypocracies (i.e. UK, France, Germany, Canada...etc) done for the Sichuan quake relief so far??? Give specifics, not just hot air. FYI, the Red Cross is not a government, stupid.


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